tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post2139369345937536648..comments2023-06-14T06:21:04.163-05:00Comments on Miss Ladybug: On Border SecurityMiss Ladybughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-57453457481925564272007-03-06T03:14:00.000-06:002007-03-06T03:14:00.000-06:00Miss Ladybug, love your passion! Shake them up an...Miss Ladybug, love your passion! Shake them up and fight on. It's a shame that so many don't see the dangers of this situation.Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00006751625373962888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-61937252505747235912007-02-16T00:13:00.000-06:002007-02-16T00:13:00.000-06:00Miss Ladybug, your blog entry was amazing! I did n...Miss Ladybug, your blog entry was amazing! I did not realize that we had 650 people from “special interest” countries coming across the border from Mexico. I guess I was hoping that the situation was more isolated than that, but 650 is way too many. It only took 19 to murder 3000, and that 650 only tells us who was caught. A sobering thought. I’m going to bookmark you and come back again. I love your letter, and I may adapt it to add my own experiences, with your permission. <BR/><BR/>I am always puzzled by this talk of “jobs Americans won’t do.” For example, supposedly we need illegal immigrants to pick vegetables, but I once spent several days during the summer doing exactly that for a farm during my teenage years. Working alongside me were a couple of old women, past retirement age, and as American as apple pie. So what do we need the illegals for again? What do they do that an American won't do?<BR/><BR/>Like you, I must take myself off to bed. But I’ll return tomorrow, probably after work. Sweet dreams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-35371253767752142152007-02-14T22:43:00.000-06:002007-02-14T22:43:00.000-06:00Again, will_b, I can't be up all night working on ...Again, will_b, I can't be up all night working on my rebuttal - I have a sub assignment in the morning. I'll get back to you when I get home from school tomorrow. And that will be the last I argue with you. I've probably already wasted to much time refuting your nit-picky arguments.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-59436857654180290972007-02-14T22:06:00.000-06:002007-02-14T22:06:00.000-06:00Miss Ladybug,We're starting a new illegal immigrat...Miss Ladybug,<BR/><BR/>We're starting a new illegal immigration blogburst, you can see the first one and find sign up info here...<BR/><BR/>http://freedomfolks.blogspot.com/2007/02/blogs-for-borders-video-blogburst.html<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Jakejakejacobsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15016037905527519479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-13271111160122856362007-02-14T21:30:00.000-06:002007-02-14T21:30:00.000-06:00Referencing Cuba in regard to illegals not plottin...<I><B>Referencing Cuba in regard to illegals not plotting terrorist attacks is not a valid comparison.</I></B><BR/><BR/>I had to put this one out of order, because it perfectly highlights the main problems with your post. That is simple lack of critical thinking. <BR/><BR/>Q: Who was it that said <B>"Egypt is one of the countries suspected of sponsoring terrorism."</B>?<BR/><BR/>A: You<BR/><BR/>Why is this important? Because if we are going to make STATES WHO SPONSOR TERRORISM the criteria for drawing conclusions....then lets go the the chart that indicates WHO OUR COUNTRY LISTS AS <B>STATES who SPONSOR TERRORISM.</B><BR/><BR/>The U.S. list of state sponsors of international terrorism is a list, compiled by the U.S. State Department, of countries that the United States' sees as sponsoring terrorism. Inclusion on the list imposes strict sanctions.<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._list_of_state_sponsors_of_international_terrorism<BR/><BR/>What country is listed first? Cuba! <BR/><BR/>WHO IS NOT ON THE LIST?????? EGYPT!!!!<BR/><BR/>Critical thinking!!!<BR/><BR/>Conclusion: In all due respect, you dont know what you are talking about. This is why your post is so outrageous. <BR/><BR/><I><B>First, I truly do not appreciate you calling me a liar. I have provided links to every single source I reference - anyone, if they wish to take the time, can follow those links, read the articles and draw their own conclusions.</B></I><BR/><BR/>I'll be the first to admit when I step out of line or make a mistake and apologize for it. But in this case, Miss Ladybug i did not call you a liar. I simply included as an possibility that you might be in addition to the possibility that you did not comprehend what you read. There are two choices there, and they are both logical assumptions. You have the ability to make a correction of you see fit. It will be interesting to see how far you will go for the sake of fairness.<BR/><BR/>Also, people have the right to draw their own conclusions or opinion...true. But they don't have the right to create or infer their own facts! Your article was sated as a fact and that is the BIG PROBLEM I have with your open letter.<BR/><BR/><I><B>You seem to be the only one who has any real problems with the conclusions I have drawn.</B></I><BR/><BR/>Well that maybe, but I am the only one catching the distinctions and the details. I cant apologize for being a critical thinker.<BR/><BR/><I><B>I deserve the same common courtesy. Further personal attacks will not be tolerated.</B></I><BR/><BR/>I understand and I respect that. I apologized for suggesting you might be racist. Again, I did not call you a liar. Also, you should think about others, before you call them thieves (someone who steals).<BR/><BR/>As far as your other comments....i dont want to "tire" anyone on your site, and I sincerely hope you publish this thread. I will try to keep it short and polite.<BR/><BR/>THE EGYPTIAN MAN ARGUMENT:<BR/><BR/>Here is my position. You are drawing conclusions that you FEEL are logical. Fine. But there are also MANY OTHER POSSIBILITIES that you are not considering fairly. <BR/><BR/><I><B>"If this man hadn't done anything wrong, why was he "apprehended"?</B></I><BR/><BR/>You are drawing a conclusion; He was apprehended, therefore he must have done something wrong. There could be many reasons why. Obviously, you've never experienced such unfairness. I have. Heres another inference, if he did something...why did they let him go?????<BR/><BR/><I><B>"If he was innocent, why were federal agents so interested in learning the truth? "</I></B><BR/><BR/>I was caught drinking with my girlfriend (when i was 21) and she lied about who she was out of fear...i got arrested because I told the truth.....they assumed I was lying about our identity. You just assume too much and draw conclusions without considering other options.<BR/><BR/>PEOPLE LIE ABOUT THEIR IDENTITIES ALL THE TIME. IT DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE TERRORISTS.<BR/><BR/><I><B>"The formulas you invented defy logic. Did I say he was "Egyptian raised"?</B></I><BR/><BR/><BR/>My formulas are very good. Also, youve got it wrong...i didnt say you said he was Egyptian raised...i said your point would make more sense if he was. He wasnt, that hurts you, not helps you.<BR/><BR/>What does him being born in Egypt have to do with anything if he was raised in Mexico? We dont know all the facts. Again, critical thinking is very important.<BR/><BR/><I><B>"Your contention, that he is simply an immigrant to Mexico who has gained status as a Mexico National (which is a separate, lesser status than a Mexican Citizen, BTW), and he didn't want to get beaten for being Egyptian, is created out of whole cloth. Again, there is nothing in the article to indicate such."</B></I><BR/><BR/>Gosh. YOUR CONTENTION IS CREATED OUT OF CLOTH AS WELL!!! You dont get it. My contention is yet ANOTHER POSSIBILITY. That is the point, the possibilities are endless. Critical thinking!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-85340951774760452322007-02-14T16:00:00.000-06:002007-02-14T16:00:00.000-06:00See, last time, we got the amnesty, but not the en...See, last time, we got the amnesty, but not the enforcement that was SUPPOSED to be part of it. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I am not buying "comprehensive immigration reform" - we'll once again be getting the amnesty and not the enforcement. I want to see that they can enforce existing law and secure the border before they do anything else.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-15762603305771919202007-02-14T14:22:00.000-06:002007-02-14T14:22:00.000-06:00"I can't argue with needed to secure our entire bo...<I>"I can't argue with needed to secure our entire border. I guess my focus on the U.S.-Mexico border has a lot to do with me living in Texas."</I><BR/><BR/>Understandable... and please Miss Ladybug, excuse my rant.<BR/><BR/>I never fail to be amazed that we are having this conversation 21 years after the IRCA of 1986. Much less the NG on the border as <I>observers</I> and hearing of the BP being prosecuted for having the temerity to enforce the integrity of our borders without first checking in with the Mexican Consulate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-74027293892047797882007-02-14T13:09:00.000-06:002007-02-14T13:09:00.000-06:00I can't argue with needed to secure our entire bor...I can't argue with needed to secure our entire border. I guess my focus on the U.S.-Mexico border has a lot to do with me living in Texas. I don't live in a podunk little town, but I'm glad I'm not in a very large metropolitan center that would be considered an attractive target for the terrorists.<BR/><BR/>I want interior enforcement, too. However, there have been recent events of concern to me that are more related to border enforcement, so that was my focus (this time). What got me started on blogging was a friend asking if I would be willing to <A HREF="http://redheadedsinger.blogspot.com/2006/05/letter-to-my-elected-representatives.html" REL="nofollow">post a letter to my Congresscritters re: illegal immigration</A> when we were witness to all those huge pro-illegal immigration rallies last spring over on her blog. Believe me, I let my elected representatives know how I feel about important issues...Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-55412286994392979232007-02-14T11:20:00.000-06:002007-02-14T11:20:00.000-06:00First, I truly do not appreciate you calling me a ...First, I truly do not appreciate you calling me a liar. I have provided links to every single source I reference - anyone, if they wish to take the time, can follow those links, read the articles and draw their own conclusions. You seem to be the only one who has any real problems with the conclusions I have drawn. I have refrained from personal attacks against you. I deserve the same common courtesy. Further personal attacks will not be tolerated.<BR/><BR/>Back to the Egyptian man:<BR/><BR/>Columbus, NM, the dateline of the article I cited, is approximately 3 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border. Highway 9, the highway he was driving along, is even closer to the border in some places - less than even 1 mile away. If this man hadn't done anything wrong, why was he "apprehended"?<BR/><BR/>Quoting the article, "Alfonso Salinas was not who he seemed, according to U.S. Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security documents. He lied to the agents about who he was, where he came from and what he was doing."<BR/><BR/>If he was innocent, why were federal agents so interested in learning the truth? To quote the article again: "It would take nearly a week of interviews with federal agents before Alfonso Salinas would give his real name: Ayman Sulmane Kamal, a Muslim born in Egypt - a country designated as "special-interest" by the United States for sponsoring terrorism."<BR/><BR/>The article continues:<BR/>"Evidence of "special-interest aliens" using the Mexican border to gain entry to the United States has been kept secret from the American public, according to federal law enforcement agents, terrorism experts and critics of U.S. foreign policy with Mexico. <BR/><BR/>In 2005, the Border Patrol apprehended approximately 1.2 million people in the U.S. illegally. Of those, 165,000 were from countries other than Mexico, and roughly 650 were, like Kamal, from special-interest countries, according to the Border Patrol."<BR/><BR/>Additionally, the article also states:<BR/>"Whether Kamal had ties to a terrorist group is not known. No information about him, including his current whereabouts, is available aside from what is in Justice Department and Homeland Security documents. <BR/><BR/>But the links between illegal immigration, expanded trade, Mexican narcotics organizations and terrorist groups has already been assessed by U.S. federal law enforcement agencies, according to DEA documents obtained by the Daily Bulletin."<BR/><BR/>Also:<BR/>"'For us to believe that Mexican smugglers will not assist, knowingly or unknowingly, foreign terrorists trying to enter the United States is incomprehensible,' said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, who, along with other congressional representatives, has pushed for stricter border security policies."<BR/><BR/>The formulas you invented defy logic. Did I say he was "Egyptian raised"? No - those were your words. Your contention, that he is simply an immigrant to Mexico who has gained status as a Mexico National (which is a separate, lesser status than a Mexican Citizen, BTW), and he didn't want to get beaten for being Egyptian, is created out of whole cloth. Again, there is nothing in the article to indicate such.<BR/><BR/>No, I don't have exact figures on how many Cubans enter our country illegally, or how many the Coast Guard picks up in the Gulf of Mexico before they get here. Referencing Cuba in regard to illegals not plotting terrorist attacks is not a valid comparison. For geopolitical reasons, our government has decided that if persons escape from communist Cuba and actually make it "feet dry" to American soil, they get to stay here, as political refugees. If Cubans wanted to kill Americans and actively tried to do so, the government might decide to change that position.<BR/><BR/>The Phillipines is not a state sponsor of terrorism. They are a partner in the fight against Islamic radicalism. However, if someone from the Phillipines came to the U.S. illegally, I would want them detained and investigated. If there was no ill intent, they should be deported back to the Phillipines. If there IS ill intent, they should be detained futher and the governmental process of dealing with terrorists should commence. Same thing goes for Europe (a continent, not a country, of which Spain is part). China is a slightly different issue, more in line with Cuba, except we do not have that same "feet dry" policy, although I assume ICE would allow requests for political asylum. Again, however, if there is ill intent, I expect my government to do something about it.<BR/><BR/>Now, on to the article(s) about Hezbollah:<BR/><BR/>You seem to be focusing on the word "association". I read the meaning in this context (<I>“This was an occasion in which Hezbollah operatives were assisting others with some association with Hezbollah in coming to the United States,” Mueller said.</I>) as follows (courtesy of Merrium-Webster Online): <I>2 : an organization of persons having a common interest.</I> You seem to be using this definition: <I>4 : the process of forming mental connections or bonds between sensations, ideas, or memories.</I><BR/><BR/>So, using my definition, I have a problem with persons "having a common interest" with Hezbollah trying to enter the United States covertly. End of story. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. If people that share their interests want to come to the U.S. without us knowing about it, that should be of great concern to every American.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if I have convinced you of anything. You have not been able to convince me that I am wrong. We may just have to agree to disagree on this topic.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-15793850052694808142007-02-14T11:13:00.000-06:002007-02-14T11:13:00.000-06:00Tiresome indeed.I will have to agree with will_b o...Tiresome indeed.<BR/><BR/>I will have to agree with will_b on one point and that is we should not be concerned with only the southern border. Instead we should be concerned with controlling all access points to our nation along the northern border, the southern border, the east coast, and the west coast. In short securing our ports of entry be they land, sea, or air.<BR/><BR/>I do not want to have an NBC incident occur in one of our population centers that is later traced to expired fradulent student or work visas, forged SSI/Drivers license documentation granted to people who smuggled into the country and/or hide among those in a sanctuary locale, etc., etc., etc. That would not be the time to reflect and revisit this "yeah but" debate concerning the link between the GWoT and border security. <BR/><BR/>Both the GWoT and border security are national issues of <B>equal importance</B> IMHO. <BR/><BR/>The citizens of this nation have the right to expect and the duty to demand that our government control who we allow to enter our country, to know for what reason they want to enter, and for how long they will be granted permission to stay.<BR/><BR/>If our elected representatives will not take up both issues with the intent of protecting, defending, and upholding the laws (IRCA 1986 anyone?)of this nation for her citizens, then we should remove them and replace them with those who will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-54450490324842406912007-02-13T22:21:00.000-06:002007-02-13T22:21:00.000-06:00will_b~Your points are getting tiresome, and it's ...will_b~<BR/>Your points are getting tiresome, and it's late. I'll address your latest criticism tomorrow.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-56668125944541643732007-02-13T21:56:00.000-06:002007-02-13T21:56:00.000-06:00Miss Ladybug,Thank you for taking my comments! I ...Miss Ladybug,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for taking my comments! I have only a few more comments. I can see why you have a concern, but I only ask you to think more critically about your conclusions and the other possibilities, before you create more uncessary anger towards this issue.<BR/><BR/>Regarding your conclusions about illegal immigration and terrorism;<BR/><BR/>Your response was to link an article about <B>"a man caught near the U.S.-Mexico border in New Mexico back in December who told Border Patrol agents his name was Miguel Alfonso Salinas when in fact his name is Ayman Sulmane Kamal. He’s an Egyptian-born Muslim. Egypt is one of the countries suspected of sponsoring terrorism."</B><BR/><BR/>Here is a detail you left out of your post. One that again shows either you are intentionally lying to your audience, or you fail to comprehend certain key points.<BR/><BR/>SEE BELOW:<BR/><BR/><B>On Sept. 5, a man calling himself Miguel Alfonso Salinas was apprehended off a deserted highway near the U.S.-Mexico border.</B><BR/><BR/>He was not even crossing the border. He was near the border. The conclusion you are drawing is not only a dangerous leap, but it is false.<BR/><BR/>And most importantly, the article did not state that he was Egyptian raised, only born. It is possible he changed his name since he might have become a Mexian National and didnt want to get his but beat down for being an Egyptian? <BR/><BR/>The article didnt state any details about that.<BR/><BR/><BR/>But lets just look at your logic on the surface. If we follow that logic, here is the formula <BR/><BR/>A man was from Egypt =E<BR/><BR/>He was near the border. = N<BR/><BR/>Egypt is a country that sponsors terrorism. = S<BR/><BR/>Therefore E + N + S = T<BR/><BR/>The only things you failed to prove is that 1) the man was linked with terrorism (L). 2) The man has a plan to commit a terrorist act (P). And he was planning to cross the border illegally (C). So the formula should look more like<BR/><BR/>E + I + S + L + P + C = T<BR/><BR/>Otherwise we could apply your formula to every Egyptian, Iranian, North Korean, Sudanese, Syrian, Cuban born person who is in the country or near it and then associate his presence with terrorism. <BR/><BR/>I doubt you have any idea how many Cubans enter our country illegally that have not caused a terrorist act or have a terrorist plot. Further, if we want to be silly about this. We can include Filipinos, since we know the Filipinos have terrorists in their country, China (we know they have terrorists), Europe (they have their new homegrown terrorists), Spain (same thing) and the list goes on and on.<BR/><BR/>But I don't think you have put critical thought into your deductions. Because if you had, you should be just as insistent on making the case about other countries who smuggle in people that sponsor terrorism or have people who are terrorists.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, you linked to an article that said that Hezbollah operatives had plans to sneak in people who were <B>"associated in some way"</B> with Hezbollah. Your conclusion is that if they are connected in ANY way that is not good for our country. <BR/><BR/>So lets elaborate on what the possibilities are, instead of simply jumping to the worst possible one. <BR/><BR/>I now have an association with you Miss Ladybug. What does that have to do with anything? <BR/><BR/>What you fail to do is to establish is an intent. You have not.<BR/><BR/>Now we have gone to war over less evidence. If the FBI or anybody had a substantial piece of information like this, I am sure Bush would be putting it all over the airwaves. But again, maybe not. <BR/><BR/>Maybe the attempt was a distraction to keep our intelligence agencies looking in the wrong direction? There are any number of possibilities. What we know for sure is that the article does not tie these people who were going to be smuggled into the country as terrorists. <BR/><BR/>But you dont address that.<BR/><BR/>For goodness sakes, George Bush is associated with Bin Laden in some way. Donald Rumsfeld is associated to the Saddam in some way. Colin Powell is associated to the Taliban in some way...in the way of giving them billions of dollars. <BR/><BR/>Your linkage is weak. Your argument is suffering from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-15414086702305615152007-02-13T21:05:00.000-06:002007-02-13T21:05:00.000-06:00will_b~The full quote is:“This was an occasion in ...will_b~<BR/><BR/>The full quote is:<BR/><BR/>“This was an occasion in which Hezbollah operatives were assisting others with some association with Hezbollah in coming to the United States,” Mueller said.<BR/><BR/>Mueller being FBI Director Robert Mueller, for those who haven't read the article or aren't familiar with that name.<BR/><BR/>The fact that anyone with ANY sort of connection to Hezbollah is attempting to sneak into the U.S., for whatever reason (to plan an actual terrorist attack, or "only" to raise money to be sent back to Lebanon) is worrisome to me. Hezbollah is a known terrorist organization. I don't want anyone with connection to Hezbollah in the U.S. And we don't know if they (FBI, etc.) have prevented any attacks already. Hezbollah is nothing but a puppet of the Iranian government. Iran has for all practical purposes been at war with us since they took over our embassy in Tehran in 1979. Hezbollah will do what Iran tells them to do.<BR/><BR/>As a general rule, I think I read something today that said for every 1 illegal that is caught entering the U.S., they estimate 2 or 3 get through. Yes, most of them are Mexican (I assume), but not all of them are.<BR/><BR/>As for the Egyptian man trying to pass himself off as a Latino when he was captured in southern New Mexico, it just goes to show that it's not just poor Mexicans trying to cross over our southern border. Mexicans, and Central and South Americans might actually walk the whole way. But if you're Egyptian, you've gone to a whole lot more trouble to sneak across our southern border - it's not like you can walk here from Egypt. What was he doing here? He was caught. How may others like him haven't been.<BR/><BR/>Terrorists only have to get it right once to be successful. We have to be right 100% of the time to keep Americans from dying.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-75294211461107495522007-02-13T20:38:00.000-06:002007-02-13T20:38:00.000-06:00Miss Ladybug,"...operatives were assisting others ...Miss Ladybug,<BR/><BR/><I>"...operatives were assisting <B>others with some association with Hezbollah</B> in coming to the United States,”</I><BR/><BR/>First, you are either intentionally misquoting the article you are linking to or you are doing it accidentally without fully understanding the distinction that differentiates a Hezbollah operative to those who have some association with operatives.<BR/><BR/>Please make that correction in your post or, post my comment that addresses this important detail. Many terrorist groups participate in illegal activity that helps fund their organization. Smuggling immigrants is a profitable venture, much like smuggling arms or drugs. You have yet to link that activity to terrorism or a terrorist plot, you have not.<BR/><BR/>Your other post that indicates a Middle Eastern man tried to cross the border also fails to link terrorism to the act of illegal immigration. What about all the other illegal immigrants that come from countries where we have enemies? There is no factual connection between your stories and your summation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-67742224229816682482007-02-13T20:04:00.000-06:002007-02-13T20:04:00.000-06:00will_b said:However, you neglected to address your...<B>will_b said:</B><BR/><BR/><I>However, you neglected to address your comments where you call Americans who hire illegal immigrants "LESS ETHICAL", American workers as SKILLED CRAFTSMEN...yet address those illegals you claim took their jobs as THIEVES.</I><BR/><BR/><B>From my reply to you (just in case you overlooked it):</B><BR/><BR/>When I was still in school last spring, when all the demonstrations in support of illegal aliens, I was listening to a local radio talk show out of San Antonio on my way home one night. One caller was a businessman from Corpus Christi, in something like plumbing or electrical. His employees had been American citizens with licenses within their field. He had to lay off his entire workforce and close his business because he could not compete with other businesses who would do jobs with one licensed American citizen employee to supervise while the grunt work was performed by unlicensed illegal alien labor. I’ll admit that this caller’s story is purely anecdotal. However, bthun (on my blog) left a <A HREF="http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-116.htm" REL="nofollow">link</A> to this similar story of a man in Atlanta whose entire family had been in framing/construction. It sheds a little light on how unethical businesses, or at least construction companies, go about paying illegals.<BR/><BR/><B><I>I would consider anyone who has earned licensing in their chosen field (plumbing, electrical, carpentry, etc.) to be a "skilled craftsman".</B></I><BR/><BR/><B>In regard to my original comment about Middle Easterns being able to pass to Mexican/Central or South American, will_b said:</B><BR/><BR/><I>That is an odd statement. What is the point of this? Is she worried that a terrorist might sneak into a grocery store and blow them up.....sneaking past the guard in the store looking like a Hispanic?</I><BR/><BR/><B>Again, from my reply:</B><BR/><BR/>I provided a <A HREF="http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4917114" REL="nofollow">link</A> to an article about "a man caught near the U.S.-Mexico border in New Mexico back in December who told Border Patrol agents his name was Miguel Alfonso Salinas when in fact his name is Ayman Sulmane Kamal. He’s an Egyptian-born Muslim. Egypt is one of the countries suspected of sponsoring terrorism."<BR/><BR/>In addition, I provided a <A HREF="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200608/SPE20060808a.html" REL="nofollow">link</A> to an article about a Representative from Texas who had been told by sheriffs along the U.S.-Mexico border “that illegal aliens of Middle Eastern descent have been able to blend into the culture south of the U.S. border and pass themselves off as Mexicans.” Generally, people from the Middle East and people from Mexico, Central and South America are dark complected and have black/dark hair. If a Middle Easterner wanted to sneak into the U.S., it they would look far less out of place coming over from the southern border than the northern one. If they also spoke Spanish, it would be even easier to “blend in”.<BR/><BR/><B>will_b said:</B><BR/><BR/><I>What I am saying is that to link the CURRENT problems of "illegal" immigration (those outlined by Miss Laybug) from Mexico and the GWOT is an illogical connection. To state that there is no connection is a true and factual statement, today.</I><BR/><BR/><B>Again, from my reply:</B><BR/><BR/>Links to articles discussing Hezbollah and the southern border:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010826.php" REL="nofollow">The FBI broke up a ring that attempted to smuggle members of Hezbollah into the U.S. from Mexico</A><BR/>and<BR/><A HREF="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011219.php" REL="nofollow">Hezbollah, Illegal Immigration, and the Next 9/11</A><BR/><BR/>not to mention two articles about an incident from January 2006:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144" REL="nofollow">Mexican incursions inflame border situation</A><BR/>and<BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3430815" REL="nofollow">Armed standoff along U.S. border</A><BR/><BR/><B><I>I'm not the one over at Grim's who got into what the definition of terrorism is, so I'm not going to address those issues here. I don't have time to go reading all your links right now, and then to formulate a rebuttal.</B></I>Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-80530821031499382492007-02-13T19:52:00.000-06:002007-02-13T19:52:00.000-06:00I think the motivation behind the racism charges, ...I think the motivation behind the racism charges, that Miss Lady defended against, is based upon human slavery and serfdom. In a way, those against legal immigration seek to form a permanent underclass, sort of like the Turks in Germany or the Jews in Palestine, as a cheap workforce.<BR/><BR/>Whatever problems Americans suffer from illegal immigration, is 5 to 10 times less severe and numerous than the problems illegal immigrants suffer from coyotes, drug smugglers, and human slave masters. They are on this blackmarket trade network because it is illegal. If they were legal, the criminals couldn't extort money from the Mexican workers. So the criminals want things to keep being illegal. The folks in the US that want a permanent slave population also want to keep things illegal, under the hood so to speak.<BR/><BR/>So long as Mexicans believe that the law can be broken inside the US with no consequences, they will continue to do so. But if they continue to do so, they will not achieve parity in terms of human rights. But that is fine with the human slave masters of the 21st century.<BR/><BR/>It is just not businesses either. As mentioned, it also includes La Raza and other political wings, including military wings.<BR/><BR/>I favor the military solution. Iraq has given us the knowledge that you can indeed bring law and order to places and people that do not have it. There's a time window here. There is still law and order at the border, it is not as chaotic as Iraq simply because subversive agents have not had the time to destabilize the region nor the resources to do so. It is easy for Iran to setup networks in iraq, but not so easy at the Mexican-US border. But they try. They have the money and the men.<BR/><BR/>Bush should use what the military has learned in Iraq and apply it to Mexico.Ymarsakarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246906722493964175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-45053579523742074022007-02-13T18:57:00.000-06:002007-02-13T18:57:00.000-06:00Go right ahead, Mark. I said as much over at B5's...Go right ahead, Mark. I said as much over at B5's <A HREF="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/02/toothless_troop.html" REL="nofollow">Toothless Troops</A> post.Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-27251617666746923992007-02-13T18:45:00.000-06:002007-02-13T18:45:00.000-06:00Great post Miss Ladybug. I saw it at Grim's hall a...Great post Miss Ladybug. I saw it at Grim's hall and see you often at VC. If you do not object, I am going to plagiarize, modify as appropriate, and send it to GWB and my congresscritters. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-6117632503326703582007-02-13T18:24:00.000-06:002007-02-13T18:24:00.000-06:00I retracted the racism remark (see Grims comments ...I retracted the racism remark (see Grims comments section early this morning).<BR/><BR/>However, you neglected to address your comments where you call Americans who hire illegal immigrants "LESS ETHICAL", American workers as SKILLED CRAFTSMEN...yet address those illegals you claim took their jobs as THIEVES.<BR/><BR/>It is a double standard that could be construed as racist, or overly nationalistic. Either way the comments reflect something emotional about you that you should address.<BR/><BR/>And how about this?<BR/><BR/><I><B>"It wouldn’t be difficult for someone from an enemy, terrorist nation to blend in with Mexican, Central American or South American illegal aliens."</B></I><BR/><BR/>That is an odd statement. What is the point of this? Is she worried that a terrorist might sneak into a grocery store and blow them up.....sneaking past the guard in the store looking like a Hispanic? <BR/><BR/>All of your comments have been carefully parsed, there are excellent points made over at Grims Hall. Here are some highlights;<BR/><BR/>What I am saying is that to link the CURRENT problems of "illegal" immigration (those outlined by Miss Laybug) from Mexico and the GWOT is an illogical connection. To state that there is no connection is a true and factual statement, today.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you want to discuss national security and illegal immigration, there is room for debate. For example, todays illegal immigration poses no more threat to our national security (from a fighting GWOT perspective) than do fishing vessels. What I mean is that we have fishing boats that leave our shores for months at a time. Many of them sneak in illegal immigrants on board and bring them back..TODAY. Why no outrage over fishing vessels, or Cruise ships that port international waters where terrorists can swap identities after landing in Jamaica?<BR/><BR/>We could go on and on with other possibilities (personal aircraft, ect.). The point is that Miss Ladybug is making current problems of immigration tied to GWOT and that is wrong.<BR/><BR/>Again, the only CURRENT tie to threats from border crossing and GWOT have come from Canada, a detail left out from Miss. Ladybug. And this wan't illegal immigration, it was a legal attempt to cross the border.<BR/><BR/>I dont agree that terrorists would risk crossing the Mexican border to enter our country to do us harm. Terrorists seem to be a bit more sophisticated than that.<BR/><BR/>Here is a definition from Donald Rumsfeld about what GWOT should define.<BR/><BR/><B>Also, in December 2006, U.S. Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, as he prepared to end his tenure, expressed regret over the Bush Administration's use of the phrase "War on Terror", saying the phrase had created unattainable expectations and that "it's not a war on terror. Terror is a weapon of choice for extremists who are trying to destabilize regimes and impose their -- in the hands of a small group of clerics -- their dark vision on all the people that they can control."</B><BR/><BR/>....Now, let's focus on terrorism and terror as it relates to the GWOT and how it relates to those who attacked us on 911 as defined by Donald Rumsfeld, whom I am sure you agree has represented the leadership of our country who battle these challenges?<BR/><BR/>"Terror is a weapon of choice for extremists who are trying to destabilize regimes and impose their -- in the hands of a small group of clerics -- their dark vision on all the people that they can control."<BR/><BR/>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20060905- 4.html<BR/><BR/>Terrorists and Terrorism (defined by the US Department of State)<BR/><BR/>http://www.state.gov/coalition/terr/<BR/><BR/>BORDER SECURITY AS DEFINED BY THE PRESIDENT (note nothing about "illegal" immigration and or gang violence)<BR/><BR/>http://www.state.gov/coalition/c.../2002/ 10154.htm<BR/><BR/>You see I can go on and on to prove my point. I would venture to say that only way you could connect the two would be to link me to some blog or right-wing rag that is trying to connect the two and dishonestly connecting the two. If not, please show me where I am missing something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-62709982019555707302007-02-13T14:39:00.000-06:002007-02-13T14:39:00.000-06:00LOL, unkawill!I'll think about it, but I don't kno...LOL, unkawill!<BR/><BR/>I'll think about it, but I don't know anything about you ;-) Except I've seen you post over at VC...Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-83366633307057323572007-02-13T14:33:00.000-06:002007-02-13T14:33:00.000-06:00Would You BE MY VALENTINE...?Would You BE MY VALENTINE...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-5282658965000312542007-02-13T08:35:00.000-06:002007-02-13T08:35:00.000-06:00Very well said Miss Ladybug. I've sent many letter...Very well said Miss Ladybug. <BR/><BR/>I've sent many letters to my Senators and my congresswidget. I personally feel it to be a waste of time to send it to the Whitehouse at this point, but harp on my congress widgets, oh yeah...<BR/><BR/>As yet another example of the impact of illegal immigration on our citizens, please take a peek at the AJC (Atlanta paper) article <A HREF="http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-116.htm" REL="nofollow"> <B>ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION Illegals change the homebuilding industry</B></A> on how a third generation family business went out of business over the man's steadfast principle to obey our laws. <BR/><BR/>I would give you a direct link to the AJC, but they have archived the article. It's at their archive site if you want to register to get access.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-87920454319451138852007-02-12T19:37:00.000-06:002007-02-12T19:37:00.000-06:00Wow. Excellent and thank you for doing all the har...Wow. Excellent and thank you for doing all the hard work to put this together so well! And to generously share it, you are a fine patriot. Thank you dear woman, mil gracias.<BR/>alexa kimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-64033684291893959082007-02-11T12:59:00.000-06:002007-02-11T12:59:00.000-06:00Wolf~I don't do as well with extemporaneous debate...Wolf~<BR/>I don't do as well with extemporaneous debate stuff. I do much better when I can take the time to choose my words carefully. Thanks for the compliment, though!Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27530118.post-11082110296066731482007-02-11T10:56:00.000-06:002007-02-11T10:56:00.000-06:00Absolutely fantastic letter. Very well written, a...Absolutely fantastic letter. Very well written, and arguments very well detailed and covered. I would not look forward to debating you!<BR/><BR/>Greatly appreciate this!<BR/><BR/>WolfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com